:? I usually work with my wavelab (with inserted plugins: 1.Waves PQ10, 2. Waves C1 SC at sometimes 119 Hz, for bass compression, 3. Lin MB for Mid and Upper freq Compression if necessary, 4. Lin Eq for tweaking before limiter, 5. Steinberg Loudness Maximizer, 6. Steinberg Resample for downrate to 44.1, and last, 7. L3 multimaximizer to compesate level and dithering process. I found that, if I already have "a sound" before levelling at step 5 and so on, I felt hard to reach -9 'till -8 RMS "clean sound", I always have "distorted sound". I don't have analog gear. Can anybody give suggest to me? Sorry for my bad english.
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Good God... -8dBRMS... What the hell is going on?!? Not tha
Good God... -8dBRMS... What the hell is going on?!?
Not that I don't get "forced" to crank out some seriously loud stuff, but it damn well better have the potential to get that loud (i.e. be one hell of an amazing sounding recording with every single duck in a row from the very first step).
And yeah, getting those levels with plugs... They just don't have that kind of headroom.
I'm starting to lose faith about the end of the volume war...
Michael Fossenkemper wrote: I personally wouldn't use 2 limiter
Michael Fossenkemper wrote: I personally wouldn't use 2 limiters. If you treat the mix properly before the limiter, one should be enough. And why are you compensating for dither? If your dither is making that much of a difference that you don't want, then choose a different less damaging one.
Thanks for your answer,
I use 2 limiter, because sometimes with Steinberg LM, I don't get enough level (only average -12 'till -11 dbrms "clean sound"), so I compesate this with L3 to achieve -10 dbrms before the mix sound distorted. In My country the average commercial cd level = -9 'till -8 dbrms.
I need to dither with L3 because the raw material is 24 bit and the final is 16 bit.
Darmawan wrote: In My country the average commercial cd level =
Darmawan wrote: In My country the average commercial cd level = -9 'till -8 dbrms.
You might want to check - Is that level including clipping? In the US, some pop CDs are mashed enough to reach -6dBRMS (and they still sell! amazing... in 10 years, only a handful of people will be able to hear themselves speak, and they'll probably all be MEs), but they were probably at -10 to -12, then just pushed up into hard clipping until the foam shook off of the walls. I'm not suggesting that clipping is necessarily a good idea (many will tell you repeatedly that it's not), but that is one way some CDs get their RMS up.
HB
mixandmaster wrote: [quote=Ammitsboel]Darmawan, -8db RMS! are yo
mixandmaster wrote: [quote=Ammitsboel]Darmawan, -8db RMS! are you sick??
Depending on the material this level is hard to reach even by the best level junkies!...
I get MIXES that are close to -8!!! Those are fun. :-?
Cool!! I specially like those mixes that are exactly the same level all the way through!!!!! 8-)
I always advice my clients to put an L2(plugin, the HW is not good enough) or even better if they have it an L1 over the mixbus with a minimum of 5db GR. It makes that special sound all people like so much!... :?
I'm considering making a plugin with build in audio errors to start a new trend!...
Best Regards
Interesting. Who else here has worked with the SPL Loudness Max
Interesting. Who else here has worked with the SPL Loudness Maxmizer? I've never used one so I'm curious
Here's what I gleen from the website - http://www.spl-usa.com/Loudness_Maximizer/in_detail.html
24bit processing but limited to 44.1/48kHz
runs on 2 66MHz slightly outdated DSP's
digital i/o only on AES & spdif
midi controllable - which is cool for automating during real time transfers
controls are limited to "gain", "soft-hard" & "density" - so on the surface it seems we're not dealing with typical threshold & release parameters.
and finally ... discontinued.
Figure you could probably find one around for cheap - just don't know whether it would be worth to have one to fiddle with occasionally or not.
Best regards,
Steve Berson
My bad (I think...) - I swear it said Vitalizer... Although,
My bad (I think...) - I swear it said Vitalizer...
Although, I wasn't too impressed with the LM... Evidently, not too many were, as it's been discontinued for some time now if I'm not mistaken.
[EDIT] Yeah, I see you mentioned the whole "discontinued" part. [/EDIT]
Well, I would say either you are doing to much with the wrong th
Well, I would say either you are doing to much with the wrong things, or the track is such that it's just not going to get to this level. -9 or -8 rms is not really saying anything about how loud the master is. just how much it's moving a meter. If it's a very dense mix that doesn't let up, you may never get there nor would you want to listen to it if you did. Plus i've never been able to get good quality high level output from plugins that i can from high end outboard. So I would abandon the level goal and just make it sound good and reasonably loud. I personally wouldn't use 2 limiters. If you treat the mix properly before the limiter, one should be enough. And why are you compensating for dither? If your dither is making that much of a difference that you don't want, then choose a different less damaging one. In general, my guess is you are working too hard on the mix. I would zero everything out and start over, simpler, less plugs. get it to sound good. If your level is not there then really sit and listen to why it's not there. maybe you are smashing the low end too much. More low end = more rms.