So true that the feature set of PT9 is not that great. Even in HD. Every time I think about buying the crossgrade, I have to think twice. I think I'd rather spend the money on Samplitude 12. In all logic though, what I have now is already more than I need.

Logic! Good God man! You're bringing logic into this?!?!?

Finally..

I begged them about 4 years ago to include mono outs. They finally saw the light. Thanks Magix

hueseph, post: 357307 wrote: So true that the feature set of PT9 is not that great.

You are kidding, right? PT is the most well full featured DAW/System out there. If someone cannot make a hit record on PT, they are retarded.

The Samplitude guy says Avid hurt themselves by opening up? From a sales perspective, I disagree. We dealers breathed a sigh of relief. It does nothing but help. Serious power users will still buy HD systems. There are no naitive systems that can do what it does. Naitive allows people to mix well, but tracking with plugs is not an option. Now with the new Macs shipping with Thunderbolt, Avid and others will be launching new HD and MBox options that will help to tie things all together. So, at some point you will be able to used Apogee, Avid and company x's interfaces, DSP and instruments.

I love it when companies speculate on what the competition (that is beating the brains out of all others combined several times over) is going to do. If those people knew so much, they would be on top and not selling to a cult following.

It is good to hear that Samplitude and Sequoia will be available to Mac users. It's also good to hear that they are now adding features that were in ProTools 12 years ago :).

I bought the crossgrade to PT9. I'm familiar with PT and I like it but, there are plenty of features in Samplitude that are not in PT. One of those being Object based editing. The hardware limitations as far as I/O are concerned are exactly that. Hardware limitations. If you have a battery of interfaces that will allow you to record 5oo channels simultaneously, so be it. You are also not bound by software on how many audio channels you can play back. If your machine will allow you to play back 500 channels, you can do that. And, you don't have to buy another HD Core card to do it. There are other things.

Reaper has every feature that PT has including delay compensation from day one and works with nearly every computer setup. That said, if one likes PT then it will get the job done. If you can't make a radio worthy song on whatever DAW then it is user error.

If one is into movie music then PT, Sequoia, and Pyramix are pretty much the only game.

wrong about PT

"There are no naitive (sic) systems that can do what it does. Naitive (sic) allows people to mix well, but tracking with plugs is not an option."

Wrong.

I run 60 track mixes with Samplitude and float anywhere from 0 to 12 plug-in's on each track in real time, nondestructive.

This does not include all the individual object based plugs where you cut out a snippet of a stem and within that snippet apply its own effect chain.

Does it run as stable as PT? Nope, but my goodness the waveform editing and real time fx manipulation within Sam has made PT (up until the last few years) look like a dog's chew toy. And as for the comment "features that were in ProTools 12 years ago", PT just recently jumped the advanced waveform editing and midi bandwagon- stuff Sek'd and Steinberg were doing when PT HD was a twinkle in Avid's eye.

He didn't mean playing a mix with plugs, he meant laying down the tracks initially with plugins. Just clarifying.

Well then, that changes the argument A bit. :)

I like tracking dry whenever I can so I hear my mistakes. I can run Guitar Rig live to tape with minimal latencies. Does PT outperform 30ms?

PT8 LE and earlier would have trouble. PT9 would be dependent on whatever ASIO device driver had. Don't get me wrong, I'm not particularly a fan of PT but 9 is a different animal than prior versions.

analogical, post: 366350 wrote: Well then, that changes the argument A bit. :)

I like tracking dry whenever I can so I hear my mistakes. I can run Guitar Rig live to tape with minimal latencies. Does PT outperform 30ms?

Uh....yeah....throughput on a TDM system is around 2 ms.

9 dsp chips and a pci based interface make low latency tracking with plugins possible. I love to trash ProTools but there's no denying that it is a powerful system. The HD systems maybe not so much as they once were. The DSP power needs a serious upgrade. It's a bit exciting, maybe even a bit frightening to think what is up next for the HD users. I can't help but think the PCI cards will be done away with soon. If thunderbolt is as fast as they are claiming it is, I imagine they will be shipping boxes with dsp power built in. I also imagine that this will be soley available to Mac users for a good amount of time. PC seems to be a bit slow at adopting these techs. They're still trying to push USB 3 and that has been out for at least three years now. Too many bugs is my guess.

hueseph, post: 365580 wrote: I bought the crossgrade to PT9. I'm familiar with PT and I like it but, there are plenty of features in Samplitude that are not in PT. One of those being Object based editing. The hardware limitations as far as I/O are concerned are exactly that. Hardware limitations. If you have a battery of interfaces that will allow you to record 5oo channels simultaneously, so be it. You are also not bound by software on how many audio channels you can play back. If your machine will allow you to play back 500 channels, you can do that. And, you don't have to buy another HD Core card to do it. There are other things.

I agree with you to some extent.Yes samplitude sounds better IMHO.Samplitude is more open you don't have digisign telling you what they think you should use. But pro tools is a practical standard for an audio engineer or freelance

Looks like new versions will hit NA in Sept. Tim, please keep us updated, I'm very excited.

daceymathers, post: 369697 wrote: I agree with you to some extent.Yes samplitude sounds better IMHO.Samplitude is more open you don't have digisign telling you what they think you should use. But pro tools is a practical standard for an audio engineer or freelance

Avid does not tell you what you should use. They have a complete platform with qualified third parties who should not be writing turd software. This closed system works reliably, if you buy what is offered and stop jacking with it. When you are under the gun and making money to feed your family, you have no time for BS. When you want to attract people to work up and down the food chain, you need something reliable that has compatible applications in multiple markets. How many non-PT users can send a session off to another random pro studio and have it load and work? Can't do that with most. But this could also be said about DP or Logic for MIDI heads, where PT would not have the market cornered.

He's long gone sheet. He's just a pirate boy with an arsenal of stolen software. Have to agree though. ProTools has stability going for them. At least with the HD systems on a Mac. Not so much true with the iLok version of PT9 but that's what happens when you open up the DAW to third party drivers.

Hey Tim, we must be getting close, any news on Sequoia 12? smoke