Signal Chain:
2 Overheads (Cheap Nady's) into preamps of cheap Behr*(&(*& mixer, mixed as the main signal.
1 Kick Mic (Cheap Nady) into dbx pre-amp (heavy compression) into line input of Behr(*&$ mixer, mixed to taste.
1 Room Mic (AT2020) into dbx pre-amp (moderate compression to taste) into line input of Behr@#@^% mixer, mixed to taste.
Pan overheads hard left/right, and room mic and kick mic center.
I only have 2 inputs from my AD into my DAW.
In the box:
Track 1 - Drums Left (mono) - roll off everything below 200ish.
Track 2 - Drums Right (mono) - roll off everything below 200ish.
Track 3 - Drums Stereo (summed to mono) - roll off everything above 150ish.
(would definitely play with those EQ settings)
The goal is to get a stereo spread of the drums, with individual kick control. I would use the room mic to help thicken up the overheads, using the parellel compressed room mic, while the summed stereo to mono EQed kick track giving me a kick track.
Any thoughts about this setup? Obviously I know my ears are boss, its the drummer and the drums, but also just wanted to run this idea by you guys for any input, advice, or potential pitfalls before I try it.
In a previous thread I got a great response from I believe Davedog saying to add the room mic, but sum all of the overs and room to one track and the kick to a separate track. I got a nice clear and strong signal from all sources, but I miss the natural stereo spread.
Thank you for any anticipated help! On a side note, working with this minimal gear is restrictive at times, but has also forced me to think "outside the box" (get it?) Necessity certainly is the mother of invention!
- Mike
NEW LINK AFTER SOME TWEAKS!
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NEW LINK OF FIRST DEMO OF THIS METHOD!
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Natural, That is a correct, track3 is a mono sum of both tracks
Natural,
That is a correct, track3 is a mono sum of both tracks, but just the low frequencies. Here is a link to the previous way I mentioned, the one where the 3 mics are mono and I have the separate kick.
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I will post a recording of how it turns out when it gets done!
You might want to have a look at those plugins. They can influen
You might want to have a look at those plugins.
They can influence L-R-Mid signals separately..
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I just found time to trying this method.... here is my first go
I just found time to trying this method.... here is my first go at it....
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what are your thought? I also put a new link at the top too.
Well, it is what it is. Pretty much what I would expect. It seem
Well, it is what it is.
Pretty much what I would expect.
It seems to have lost the drummers right side of the mix. (assuming RH drummer)
1st 2 toms seem ok, next 2 toms get lost.
Another Idea.
This is the Recorderman technique:
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- I would eliminate the room mic in favor of a close snare mic.
- Try to get the blend of kick and snr correct going in.
- If you need more kick or snr come mix time, make a copy of one of the channels instead of combining to mono, and try your eq.
- Alternatively, make a copy of the stereo track, phase reversed, to mono. Not necessarily to cancel out, but you might be able to get a little extra snare or hi end control by varying the levels.
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here is a link with some setting and mic positions tweaked a bit....
toms seem a bit weak, but I ok with that limited setup
After reading this a couple of times, I think you intend to reco
After reading this a couple of times, I think you intend to record to tracks 1 and 2, then make a mono copy to track 3 is that correct?
That could possibly get you a little more control of the kick drum and still have a little stereo. It's not going to be great, but it's at least something.
Post an example when you get one.