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Kick drum vs. . Bass

I usually, have the kickdrum on the lower frequency spectrum of the song, then the bass etc...like in most rock/pop music. I've do this very well. But lately I've been listening to some recordings were the bass is lower, and then is the kick drum, like the last U2 record. And I was wondering how do you get a clear bass and kick this way, any techniques? I'd like some imput on this.

bass drum THUD

Maybe just an ignorant question, but how do the "pros" get that full thud from the recorded kick? i can't seem to get that quality that you always hear on the radio. it seems to blend in so well, yet still stand out. I record mainly rock/punk, alternative, etc. even heavy compression, mad EQing, doubling, or various effects don't seem to do the trick.

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