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anonymous 11 July 2005

If you are looking to record a commercial quality album, then SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM is the place for you. Many advantages, no disadvantages.

Check the website (which is under construction) for more information, or email us if you cannot find it on the site.
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McCheese Thu, 07/28/2005 - 00:33

I went to his equipment page...lots of misspelled brand names. How pro.

And for the record, it's not an mBox, in the pictures you can plainly see it's an OO2r. (The mbox is cool for what it is. I like mine. Notice I also don't have either a website or the word "pro" in my name.)

I love the links to Taxi, MySpace and American Musical Supply. This reeks of pro.

Go to the "rates" section and CHECK OUT THE PRICE SLASHING!!!! OMGDEALZ!!!!!!111111eleventy.

Who dug this up anyways?

anonymous Fri, 07/29/2005 - 15:56

and no offense, but that site SUCKS.

no, wait, i did mean offense.

#1 in any online business, get a real web designer to make your site. that one looks like a typical frontpage site made by someone who thinks they know web design. that might have gone over in the 90s when HTML was pretty limited and nobody knew design.

seriously, i know where you can get a NICE looking site for 500-1000$, or with dynamic content probably no more than 2000$.

okay yeah, im a web design major, i cant stand a poor do-it-yourself site.

Kev Fri, 07/29/2005 - 18:09

Rider wrote: okay yeah, im a web design major, i cant stand a poor do-it-yourself site.

I DIY
therefore I am

the trouble many of you pros have is that you expect everyone to have light speed so your sites are bloated

yes that may be a crap site
in the past too many of the pros have sucked too much money out of web site design and now many people will just not pay

funny
that sounds like studio owners of the 70's and 80's

anonymous Fri, 07/29/2005 - 18:46

i don't mean to be a 'party pooper'...but who cares whether or not this guy has a lame website or calling himself a "pro"...

at least he's taking himself seriously and trying to promote himself...

i think too many of you guys sitting in your parent's basement with your eBay purshased home studios and pirated software think you're 'audio engineers' or something...

give 'em a break

8-)

Reggie Fri, 07/29/2005 - 22:12

That guy went WAY over the top with the foam. That is hilarious. Although he did miss a spot or two.

But to be fair, the website design is just a little better than the HTML stuff I did back in school 12 years ago or so. However, if a website doesn't grab my attention by keeping me in anticipation with the LOADING % bar, then I'm gone.

This pro guy is gonna wish he never came here. :lol:

[edit: I guess I shouldn't talk about websites.... :? But I didn't do the ones in my sig anyway.]

anonymous Fri, 07/29/2005 - 23:40

the trouble many of you pros have is that you expect everyone to have light speed so your sites are bloated

yes that may be a crap site
in the past too many of the pros have sucked too much money out of web site design and now many people will just not pay

maybe the idiots from art institute (which is a very flashy crap type of school).

real designers will tell you speed is #1. one of the major web design gurus doesnt have ANY images on his site, it doesnt look flashy but it still looks good. you can make some amazing looking websites with CSS that load in no time on 56k. flashiness does not = good design. look at google, very very effective site, but very straight up.

like music, its just knowing what works together, thats why pros charge money, they know what colors fit with what colors, what way to set up the page.

as people say, you should go to an audio engineer, not do it yourself, same reason for web design.

and not expensive, 500$ for a static page isnt terrible, especially considering thats cheaper than one piece of equitment, but a webpage brings in far more people than one piece of equipment.

anonymous Fri, 07/29/2005 - 23:48

for some reason theres no edit button for my post..

i think too many of you guys sitting in your parent's basement with your eBay purshased home studios and pirated software think you're 'audio engineers' or something...

yeah i might not have a 'pro' studio, then again i work with what i have and i learn all i can about everything i have. ill mess with every single knob and switch and learn everything i possibly can about it. you all know its not the equipment as much as knowing how to use it, and yes i learn about what i have instead of buying every overhyped piece of gear that hits the market.

i dont go around claiming in an audio engineer, i just use what i have to edit music. honestly, even with ebayd home studio, you can make some good stuff. my friend uses final cut pro and a crappy DV cam, and he has made some pretty impressive stuff, and he was MAD good at editing. now hes actually in school for it and i cant wait to see his work up there.

Kev Sat, 07/30/2005 - 01:43

pr0gr4m wrote: I haven't been in a good internet forum argument in long time and I really want to jump on one of these bandwagons. ... But I wont.

you know you want to
do it ... do it ... do it
:twisted:

Reggie wrote: ... WAY over the top with the foam. ... Although he did miss a spot or two.

lol
I even spilt my coffee
:)

Rider wrote: ... real designers will tell you speed is #1.
...some amazing looking websites with CSS that load in no time on 56k,
... like music, its just knowing what works together, ...

correct

but 56k is twice as fast as my net access has every gone
when I say slow net ... I really mean sloooow net

and if there simply is no budget then a real web designer or a real audio engineer just can not be afforded ... at any price.

Cucco Sat, 07/30/2005 - 07:15

Alright Web-Dudes!

Since we're critiquing home pages - please, have at mine.

I designed it using CSS and straight HTML. I left out silly javascript (although, there's very minor scripting on some of the forms) and flash b/c I don't want to tell someone "If you can't see my site - go to this site and download crap so you can see my site..."

Let me have it. Tell me what you'd change and what sucks. I'm in the process of revamping.

BTW - I know, the Marquee - played out... I just wanted to do something mildly flashy to draw people's attention there.

Jeremy...

http://www.sublymerecords.com

Kev Sat, 07/30/2005 - 17:00

Cucco

for me it is fast to load and the text is viewable

Recording Studio & Upcoming Events
were also fast to load and be viewable

... so you pass the slow net test
and you haven't been closed due to browser grief
a little bland but then I don't want anything from you so I'm kinda not interested anyway

I can find you telephone numbers and send a quick fake email ... good

BUT I don't know where you are !!!
I can guess you are in the USA ... but where ?

SORRY look at the front page stupid .... :)
Sublyme Records is Northern and Central Virginia's Premier acoustic and on-site recording company. Based in historic Fredericksburg, VA, a cultural hot-spot, Sublyme Records aims to provide all musicians from all genres the recording services they need. Check out our rates for up to date specials and packages.

I might want a postal address
and perhaps a physical address
so I can drive by to have a discrete look at location to see if I want to spent time there.

err
but web mail did fail
browser crash ... may not be your site ??

An example of flashy crap is
http://www.rmsprod.com/

it almost immediately launched a second screen which did cause grief
the address and phone numbers appear on the first screen
BUT
I don't see it as it remains BLUE for ages
later it tells me I need Flash 6
no shit !!! ... well give me a choice to bypass it and get to the text
this splash screen does have the info I want
BUT
as I said I can't see it yet

took two attempts to find the address and phone numbers
can't see the pictures
ages to load
can't print ?
all I want to do is send an email or give them a call
a complete machine hog ... and no print so no phone call later

simple is good

I tend to cut and paste from websites so I can send info to people via email
or paste into a word doc for later reference and printing
No cut and paste from this site ...
no print
no phone call later
no referral to a friend
waste of space

:cry:
oops
sorry
must suppress rant mode
8)

anonymous Sat, 07/30/2005 - 23:31

Cucco wrote: Alright Web-Dudes!

Since we're critiquing home pages - please, have at mine.

its really not bad. as said above, might check for compatibility issues (the F hole), since some browsers may, no not may, almost always appear different. its espeiclaly bad when you test with IE (no offense, but IE is like a whole other web compared to the rest..).

equipment list doesnt look like it lines up right either, im thinking its firefox.

might do some more design to the left links. the blue on grey is somewhat hard to read, or it might be for people with poor vision, or colorblindness (yes see, web designers pay attention to usability). its amazing how something minor can really make an element POP on a page.

but i can tell the page is fast, even on broadband.

theres nothing wrong with flash sites, theyre becoming very popular now that broadband is available to most everybody, but for a business its at least good to have a text only. for band sites, its generally the norm to have a flash site or a graphic heavy html site with embedded media.

Cucco Sun, 07/31/2005 - 07:30

Thanks Guys!!!!

I've been thinking about retooling it -

The CSS is a pain in the ass to work with. For some reason, even though I'll call it just right in the document, entire sections simply don't appear from time to time. Also, CSS, unless used strictly for text/link formatting has a tendancy to be one way in IE and a completely different way in others.

I was operating off the assumption that the majority of my users would be approaching the site with IE/Netscape/AOL (which the page formats okay for those.) But, leave it to you nerds :lol: to use FireFox.

Again, thanks for the comments - I'll be working them all into my new page soon.

J. (y)

anonymous Sun, 07/31/2005 - 08:37

I read this post and was scratching my head a bit over what was the big deal.

Yep, I see that you shouldn't blatantly advertise although many do toss in thier web site address on their signature line.

The thoughts on what a "pro" should be and how they should present their business seems to miss the point of running a business. In my mind a pro can be merely one who is fortunate enought to get paid for their skills. THe amateur is one who does it for the love of it or as an art. A business is merely one who can make enough money to pay for overhead and make a profit. On most of these recording forums, The level of skill and equipment required to be considered a professional business is more of an idealogy than true business requirements.

So if this guy with his so called sucky web paid and consumer grade equipment gets lots of customers and performs much better than other recording studio businesses from a P&L (Profit Loss) perspective, doesn't he have a better "business"?

Business is about making money. Smart businessmen invest for a ROI (Return on investment). Purchasing capital should be done to recoup and MAKE PROFIT on the cost of the equipment. To do this effectively you need to understand the concept of value stream. Value Stream are those things that can directly be traced to what a customer will pay for NOT what YOU may think is valuable. Can YOUR CUSTOMERS tell the difference between M-audio and appogee AD/DA converters? If they can then it may be a worthwhile investment. If not, you are wasting your money and aren't a very good businessman - good luck staying in business!!

When I see all the talk about my equipment, web site, etc is better than yours or my next purchase is for something really expensive that I can brag about here, I can tell businessmen aren't talking.

Its obvious, Consumer grade equipment and kids in their parent's basement calling themselves a pro business are scaring the shit out of those who come from the day when this stuff wasn't available. Maybe sad to say, but the customer defines what is worth paying for not you.

By the way (as I'm sure you all will be sizing me up with you idealogies). I have a home studio because I love to record. I own my house and every peice of equipement in it. I understand where I made an investment versus where I just spent money. I didn't waste my money on a fancy web page. I made my web page with Frontpage - (All my customers say its a great web page). I get enough jobs to keep me busy and make great money. My customers love what I do and keep coming back. I call it a business but I don't run it like one.

If you think you have a recording studio business please share with us you P&L and prove how well you know how to run one.

Sorry for the rant. Maybe there should be a distinction for the forum - Recording Studio Business versus Recording Studio Bragging.

Mark

anonymous Sun, 07/31/2005 - 13:31

yodermr1 wrote: Business is about making money.

just because a business is big doesnt mean they are GOOD. marketing and promotions, as well as competitive pricing, can pull anyone ahead in the game.

so no, while their sales could give a little indication about how good they are, they really dont say much on their quality.

which im guessing both are poor.

as for posting links. this is a place of discussion. he had no point when he posted that. he just posted it to get business. basically like spam email, who wants it.

for sigs, its where you put whatever you want, a website you can click and itll tell more about the person.

anonymous Sun, 07/31/2005 - 14:07

Yep, He wasn't interested in discussion. What he wanted to get across wasn't my point. It was the responce given that was interesting.

"just because a business is big doesnt mean they are GOOD. marketing and promotions, as well as competitive pricing, can pull anyone ahead in the game. " Yep, You can grow the top line with marketing OR improve the bottom line with cost/overhead reduction

"so no, while their sales could give a little indication about how good they are, they really dont say much on their quality" Quality is in the eyes of the customer who is handing over the $$. If they can't tell the difference in the underlying equipment quality then it's not revelant from a business perspective.

We may have a passion for subtle improvements via great equipment but that doesn't necessarily translate into good business decisions. THe market is changing - a business adopts or eventually dies.

Mark

anonymous Mon, 08/01/2005 - 10:46

The name is Yoder.

Not sure why you felt it necessary to publically take a pot shot at the artist. Seems to lack the most basic concepts of professionalism. My business is recording not production or musical training.

I enjoy the challenge, my customers like what I can do for them for what they want to spend. Would I personally enjoy have pro level folks come entertain me as I record them? - sure. I still get alot of satisfaction seeing them get exicted over what they have accomplished.

I wouldn't call what I do a profession. Its a hobby that I get paid for which helps me pay for my own little fantasy recording cave.

Feel free to send me an email and we can chat about my personal tastes and recording experiences. I'd love to discuss it but I won't do it on a public forum. Mark@DemoFactory.Biz

KurtFoster Tue, 08/02/2005 - 08:39

Yep it's the SPAM factor that got this guy in the stew.

Mark (Yoder) I read your remarks and I cannot disagree with one thing you said .... in my head.

But my heart says something entirely different. I suspect a lot of other people who now have or had in the past studios are in the same boat with me ... we lead with our artistic side not the business side.

The business savvy "bean counters" are what have all but ruined the music industry. I am glad that a lot of artists do not think in "business" terms ... otherwise there would be a lot less art and more bean counting.

If you guys all think I should, I'll just bin this whole topic.

anonymous Tue, 08/02/2005 - 09:23

I agree with Kurt! (We need a t-shirt that says that, like Marty on NASCAR.com... read "Track Smack" there to figure out what I mean...) I run a recording business, and the "business" part, I have no part in. I let the accountant do the bean counting while I remain creative. Sure, I do sign the checks, but really, the accountant handles 98% of the business aspect of the business. The other 2% is the marketing that clients' mouths handle.

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