Hey !

I am sorry to write you this, but PRAY, first of all...... I have been building computers forme and friends for more than 15 years now... as a hobby.. and when i decided I would do my DAW, i also bought the best gear at that time... to make the long story short.... you will never finish tweaking and adjusting...

I gave up a few months ago.... so I am shopping for an out of the box DAW solution... I might pay more, but at least i will have somebody to blame :)

Anyway, I don't want to be so negative, I do have also heard good experiences.... so, its up to your knowledge and lots of luck !

Alex

Re: new daw need all the help before i install and assemble

jimmyt12 wrote: intel p4 650 3.4
asus p5ad2-e mobo
corsair xms2 1g 512x2
tru control antec 550 wt
160g western digital sata x2 raid0
200g western digital external hd
xfx nvidia 6600gt dual dvi-d
motu pci 424/motu 24I/O
sony 19" sdm-s94 lcd monitors x2
zalman 7700 copper
thermaltake va3000
sony 16x dvd/rw double layer
nuendo 2.0

Hey I just got all my gear today nothing has been installed does anybody have any crucial tips or advise for any of this. I am a newbee in the daw department, i have always gone analog. This comp is for recording only and will never touch the net. I could really use all help before I attempt to install all software drivers and hardware.

Good choice of components but return the MOTU and get a Fireface 800.

Also, we no longer like the Zalman coolers and as for DVDRW I would go; Plextor, Pioneer, NEC.

If you run into trouble give give us a call or blast an e-mail.

Joseph C.
sonica-x support.

i agree with Sonica other than 1 thing
well 2 the Zalmans are great
but more importantly the video card you chose will cause issues.
only an ATi X300, or Nvidia 6200 or lower are recommended for intel PCI-E systems. anything higher will cause decrease your audio ability as you increase your video card power.

see this thread
(Dead Link Removed)
page 2 has the PCI-E stuff

and yes dump the Motu and get a fireface.

Scott
ADK

Yes, I used to think the Zalmans were great too but not any more.

They only support Prescotts up-to 540 and 650 in silent mode (1200 RPM).

There are other options that run at 600-900 RPM up-to 4.4GHz that don't violate Intel's spec by a factor of almost two, are 1/2 the cost and use Intel's standard mounting holes.

No more Zalmans for us.

Guy Cefalu
sonica-x support

http://www.zalmanusa.com/usa/product/view.asp?idx=145&code=005009

funny Zalman says it works.

There are other options that run at 600-900 RPM up-to 4.4GHz that don't violate Intel's spec by a factor of almost two

how did you figure that?

R= X C/W or

ΨCA = (TC – TA) / TDP = (67 – 38) / 100 =
ΨSA = ΨCA − ΨCS = 0.29 − 0.10=

Scott
ADK

Is mechanical noise reduction important for ALL DAW needs ? I will not have an external signal input in my sistem, i will base everthing softsynth... is it also important ?

thanks

[quote=ADK audio]http://www.zalmanus…

funny Zalman says it works.

There are other options that run at 600-900 RPM up-to 4.4GHz that don't violate Intel's spec by a factor of almost two

how did you figure that?

R= X C/W or

ΨCA = (TC – TA) / TDP = (67 – 38) / 100 =
ΨSA = ΨCA − ΨCS = 0.29 − 0.10=

http://www.zalmanusa.com/usa/product/view.asp?idx=146&code=005009

SONICA-X wrote:

There are other options that run at 600-900 RPM up-to 4.4GHz that don't violate Intel's spec by a factor of almost two, are 1/2 the cost and use Intel's standard mounting holes.

Hey Guy,

Man thats a pretty serious statement , 600-900 RPM and good to 4.4 Ghz ?

Have you actually managed to get a PIV to 4.4 GHz with passive cooling ?

I have personally achieved some awesome Noise/ Thermal results with a combination of a reputable heatpipe cooler, low noise fans and a custom TAC, but your statement seems extreme to me.

I'd love to be proven wrong :-)

BTW: What Size Fan is being utilised on the CPU cooler ?

Peace.

J.D

JayDee wrote: [quote=SONICA-X]

There are other options that run at 600-900 RPM up-to 4.4GHz that don't violate Intel's spec by a factor of almost two, are 1/2 the cost and use Intel's standard mounting holes.

Hey Guy,

Man thats a pretty serious statement , 600-900 RPM and good to 4.4 Ghz ?

Have you actually managed to get a PIV to 4.4 GHz with passive cooling ?

I have personally achieved some awesome Noise/ Thermal results with a combination of a reputable heatpipe cooler, low noise fans and a custom TAC, but your statement seems extreme to me.

I'd love to be proven wrong :-)

BTW: What Size Fan is being utilised on the CPU cooler ?

Peace.

J.D

Yes, serious and true!

Convination of fairly massive aluminun radiator style cooling element with 4 heat-pipes going through all elements and a 90mm fan running from 600-900 RPM controlled by system board.

This cooling solution will cool an intel P4 660 running at 95 % utilization to 49 C.

200 grams less than a Zalman 7700.

But please, lets not play this game here in the forums and turn this thread into a contest.

Peace.

Guy Cefalu
sonica-x

JayDee wrote: [quote=SONICA-X]

There are other options that run at 600-900 RPM up-to 4.4GHz that don't violate Intel's spec by a factor of almost two, are 1/2 the cost and use Intel's standard mounting holes.

Hey Guy,

Man thats a pretty serious statement , 600-900 RPM and good to 4.4 Ghz ?

Have you actually managed to get a PIV to 4.4 GHz with passive cooling ?

I have personally achieved some awesome Noise/ Thermal results with a combination of a reputable heatpipe cooler, low noise fans and a custom TAC, but your statement seems extreme to me.

I'd love to be proven wrong :-)

BTW: What Size Fan is being utilised on the CPU cooler ?

Peace.

J.D

Hey Jaydee,

probably this
http://www.thermaltake.com/coolers/itbu/cl-p0169/cl-p0169.htm

Scott
ADK

Are you willing becoming an informatic engineer? Do you want to spend the first year trying to understand what works and what doesn't work?

It follows a SPAM from a Mac evangelist, don't read it, but trust him:
Just buy a Mac and start making music the same day.

are you still posting in here? i thought we ran you off.
where is that ignore button.

Scott
ADK

ADK audio wrote: [quote=JayDee][quote=SONICA-X]

There are other options that run at 600-900 RPM up-to 4.4GHz that don't violate Intel's spec by a factor of almost two, are 1/2 the cost and use Intel's standard mounting holes.

Hey Guy,

Man thats a pretty serious statement , 600-900 RPM and good to 4.4 Ghz ?

Have you actually managed to get a PIV to 4.4 GHz with passive cooling ?

I have personally achieved some awesome Noise/ Thermal results with a combination of a reputable heatpipe cooler, low noise fans and a custom TAC, but your statement seems extreme to me.

I'd love to be proven wrong :-)

BTW: What Size Fan is being utilised on the CPU cooler ?

Peace.

J.D

Hey Jaydee,

probably this
http://www.thermaltake.com/coolers/itbu/cl-p0169/cl-p0169.htm

Scott
ADK

Scott, close but twice as tall and the fan can not be in the top as it has to be in series with the PSU fan.

Guy.

Hey guy,

little confused, your not using BTX cases yet.
u trying to turn it to blow toward the power supply fan
and not use a rear case fan?

not a bad thought providing it keeps the inside cool enough.
with those 140 mm fans on those ps u use just might work.

Scott
ADK

ADK audio wrote: Hey guy,

little confused, your not using BTX cases yet.
u trying to turn it to blow toward the power supply fan
and not use a rear case fan?

not a bad thought providing it keeps the inside cool enough.
with those 140 mm fans on those ps u use just might work.

Scott
ADK

Scott,

yes and it works even better on the tower as hot air moves upwards. That is why I like to use the ATI cards as they have low heat emissions compared to the nVidia and the video card seats behind the cpu cooler.

With the giga-byte boards this set-up works great but you have to be willing to use the psu with 140mm fan.

so;

video card ----> cpu cooler ----> PSU -----> out

All fan speeds controlled by system board. No more fanmates or crap like that.

So far so good. Not one single bad PSU.

Guy.
sonica-x

Hey Guy,
yeah we have been using them a little while now.
i like the fanless 480!
wish they had something that was EPS 12v with 8pin.

so... glad to see you finally got rid of those P4 PCI-E systems
you were defending so hard.

welcome to the dark side err more like the Light side new Jedi!

sorry excited about Starwars.....

Scott
ADK

But please, lets not play this game here in the forums and turn this thread into a contest.

Guy,

Firstly I am not interested in a contest, I asked you a simple question , that you have not answered btw, and considering you are being so coy about the actual cooler, I still think you are stretching it.

I am not defending the Zalman 7700, I personally find them to be a noisy, groaning P.O.S, that do not give any better performance than the 7000.

As I stated earlier, I already have an awesome heatpipe solution for my systems which achieve similar performance to what you have quoted, are not these tall cumbersome Tower units that you mentioned , and also weigh about 450 gramms all up.

I have a fair idea what your using , but considering your behaving like its some state secret instead of a commercially available unit, I 'll keep my cards close to my chest as well.

BTW: Any New PIV 500J or 600 Series will comfortably run within that thermal envelope you are quoting , so its not exactly a revelation :-)

P.S: I still stand by my comment that your claim of the unit being good to 4.4 Ghz is extreme , actually , lets call a spade a spade, its Hyperbole, I thought we had got past that stage.. sigh.. :-)

P.P.S : I'm with Scott, whats with the slimmed down product line, its like a moving target at the moment, I checked your page earlier this week and you only had an Intel PCIe single CPU system, and a Dual Xeon System , today you only have an AMD NF3 system and the Xeon, you can't be serious that after all of the noise regarding the Intel PCIe systems , that actually work fine, you have dropped the whole product line ?? Each to their own Bro, what ever works, have fun with NF3 systems while they last ... LOL.

Scott,

Thanks fore the tip Mate, but I have a way, way better unit.
I'll fill you in offline if your interested. Drop me PM over at the Nuendo Forum.

I'll let you boys get back to it... :-)

Peace.

J.D

ADK audio wrote: Hey Guy,
yeah we have been using them a little while now.
i like the fanless 480!
wish they had something that was EPS 12v with 8pin.

so... glad to see you finally got rid of those P4 PCI-E systems
you were defending so hard.

welcome to the dark side err more like the Light side new Jedi!

sorry excited about Starwars.....

Scott
ADK

Scott,

noooooooooooooooooooooo!

We are going with the 955 for the early adaptors. I am a PCIe defender. :D . The PCIe drop is just temporary as the new web design is taking longer than anticipated.

Try this out;

http://www.arctic-cooling.com/cpu2.php?idx=34&data=1&disc=

Guy Cefalu
sonica-x

I think it's a shame that trolls like Jay Dee come here and turn this forum into a pre-school just when ADK and SONICA start to get along with each other.

BladeSG wrote: I think it's a shame that trolls like Jay Dee come here and turn this forum into a pre-school just when ADK and SONICA start to get along with each other.

Troll ?? LOL !

Priceless !

Your kidding me right, the behaviour on this forum has been akin to a pre-school way before I set foot here , actually the signal to noise ratio is far from being of any use to the vast majority , and anyone who witnessed the recent free for all from my 2 above formentioned friends can bare witness to that.

BTW,: I doubt anything I say is going to effect the air between Guy and Scott, and why would it. Mind you , you are from Adelaide, so I really wouldn't expect you to get it even if I did type this reply really s l o w l y ..

Your contribution here is worthy of what exactly ?

You know what, spare me, I'm outta here, I am more than happy to wipe this sad little excuse from my space..

J.D

JayDee wrote: Mind you , you are from Adelaide, so I really wouldn't expect you to get it even if I did type this reply really s l o w l y ..

LOL! Actually about to piss my pants laughing you're so funny! Well that's exactly what I'm mean by pre-school stuff.

JayDee wrote:

Your contribution here is worthy of what exactly ?

My contribution here is most likely useless (not that I feel I have to justify myself to you) but having said that it's still better than what you've contributed.

I'd rather not be hero wanker types like you who post on forums pretending like there is some magical secret to making PC's perform and perform well with any sequencer/ audio interface combination. If you were as clued in as you pretend to be you'll know there is no secret to building high performance DAW's that'll work with anything. Anyone who knows anything about a PC could build a high performance stable DAW.

Personally I can handle the hero talk but I think it goes too far when you start having arguments about what is essentially crap. Again anyone who knows anything will know that both Intel and AMD systems are potentially stable and high performance platforms for DAW's.

Hmmm,

Seems a sense of humor is in desperate need for some..

O.k, I'll take the bait !

My contribution here is most likely useless (not that I feel I have to justify myself to you) but having said that it's still better than what you've contributed.

Correct , your contribution here is usesless, and from any of the other commentary I have witnessed from you, its true to form. You don't have to justify anything to me my friend, as any of your commentary is equated to a fart in the wind.

I'd rather not be hero wanker types like you who post on forums pretending like there is some magical secret to making PC's perform and perform well with any sequencer/ audio interface combination. If you were as clued in as you pretend to be you'll know there is no secret to building high performance DAW's that'll work with anything. Anyone who knows anything about a PC could build a high performance stable DAW.

This one I love the most. You have some how drawn some amazing cohesive conclusions to my character , from what exactly. So here we have an arm chair expert, flailing in his insecurities, attacking me for daring to participate in forums on a technical level, when in actual fact, according to this genius, its an absolute no brainer for anyone to actually get a stable working solution.

Thanks for the heads up, there Mate. LOL.

Personally I can handle the hero talk but I think it goes too far when you start having arguments about what is essentially crap. Again anyone who knows anything will know that both Intel and AMD systems are potentially stable and high performance platforms for DAW's.

I can not for the life of me figure out what the hell you are barking about here , Where have I fueled any Intel, AMD debate. I think you need to check your medication there Bro, your a touch over sensative. Perhaps before you come in half cocked again , you should actually try and understand what is being discussed, and in what context.

But then again, judging by the level of intelligence present in your commentary, I doubt you would actually have the capacity to understand anything outside of your own narrow headspace.

J.D

LOL! Just go back and read what little you've posted and you'll see just how arrogant you are. As for a sense of humour who's the one attacking.... I wrote:

I think it's a shame that trolls like Jay Dee come here and turn this forum into a pre-school just when ADK and SONICA start to get along with each other.

So who needs a sense of humour?

You have some how drawn some amazing cohesive conclusions to my character , from what exactly

That's easy... Go back and have a look at what you've posted....

Correct , your contribution here is usesless

Sorry I didn't know you keep tabs on what I post. Maybe you should be the moderator and that way you can just delete all the useless stuff I contribute.

and from any of the other commentary I have witnessed from you, its true to form.

And that would be where exactly?

So here we have an arm chair expert, flailing in his insecurities,

LOL! Who says i'm an expert? And my insecurities are what exactly?

I can not for the life of me figure out what the hell you are barking about here , Where have I fueled any Intel, AMD debate

Sorry you took offence to this, you should lighten up because it wasn't specifically directed at you that's why it was in a new paragraph. I should have made that comment more clear that it was more aimed at those that who look for Intel v AMD flame wars.

But then again, judging by the level of intelligence present in your commentary, I doubt you would actually have the capacity to understand anything outside of your own narrow headspace.

Seriously is that the best you can do for a personal attack? That's p*ss weak!

Perhaps before you come in half cocked again , you should actually try and understand what is being discussed, and in what context.

That would be hard considering my level of intelligence as you pointed out earlier.

Not bad from someone who said:

You know what, spare me, I'm outta here, I am more than happy to wipe this sad little excuse from my space..

ROTFLMAO

ADK audio wrote: are you still posting in here? i thought we ran you off.
where is that ignore button.

Scott
ADK

The guy asked for help, and i thought to be helpful, REALLY.
It's not my fault if the solution i suggested is IMO (and IOO) a perfect solution.

BladeSG wrote: I think it's a shame that trolls like Jay Dee come here and turn this forum into a pre-school just when ADK and SONICA start to get along with each other.

HI,

first Guy and i have always got along, until the PCI-E thing got out of control.
and thats over with.

second: JayDee is extreamly knowledgeable in computers and Pro Audio use. troll is hardly the right word for him.
he has been around this scene longer than most.

3rd: NO not anyone who can build a computer, can build it for pro audio.
at least not to the performance level that I, Guy and JayDee demand of our systems.

Scott
ADK