Boswell, post: 465264, member: 29034 wrote: I would put the fatter heater tracks on all the 6.3V traces.

Thanks Boswell good point ....the Heater traces are 40mil right now.....there are two tubes per LM 317 so slightly less than 1A per LM317. The tube board and PS will be 2 OZ copper.

Boswell, post: 465264, member: 29034 wrote: Have you got a large enough pad size for the transformer leads?

The on board transformer is line input transformer, but bigger pad is generally better for rework...

Boswell, post: 465264, member: 29034 wrote: Was your reasoning behind not putting the heater regulators on this board and just bringing in the raw heater feed that you wanted to mount the LM317s on heat sinks on the PSU board?

Yes sir, I am trying to stick be hunk of metal on those regulators. ;)

Boswell, post: 465264, member: 29034 wrote: Do the 1612 top caps feed directly from the input level pots?

They Do, as did the Gates 39B and 39A. I need to test this with the Jensen impedance ....I have a similar issue with output transformer.

Thanks Boswell, Its so great to be able to pick your brain, I really appreciate your input!

ok Made some last minute tweaks to all 4 of the PCBs, and I am ready to get some prototypes PCB made! I have most of the parts on hand, but I will need a few parts from digikey...parts at this point will be about 1k CAD. Expensive hobby...

Very cool and exciting!

Parts are starting to arrive .... I am now sure why but I always love getting NOS parts from 1947.... it’s just so cool! Tested in March of 1954...

PCB's arrived yesterday! They look decent. I am still waiting on some of the power supply caps and the meter movements. I am trying to find decent off the shelve meter movement, but may have to settle for amazon but everything else is here. Starting building the power supply...

Very nice! I'm impressed by the finish your PCB suppliers give you on what presumably are prototype quantities.

yes me too...pcbway...

Very neat !!
Did you plan to sell it as a kit ? People could solder the parts themself ?

I am doing this for fun mostly, but if the circuit works well and your interested let me know.

Managed to get 1 hr to hide in the garage ... just waiting on three caps and the power supply pcb is almost done. I still need to dress the transformers and mount the heat sink.

it looks like doing this would be a lot of fun. i wish i had this kind of aptitude. kudos!

Thanks Kurt, I am pretty sure you have more than enough aptitude and skills to handle this. I love the old circuits because they appear simple enough on the surface to suck you in. Then when your hooked you get lost in the subtleties of the design. I find it great fun to retrace the steps of much wiser minds...

Quick update- I have been having troubling getting to the shop these last few days, but I did manage to finish the power supply build.

I had some 10 mm aluminium plate so I cut that up to be a three layer (30mm) 120mm x 80mm block with thermal paste in between each layer. I am using that as a heat sink for testing and possible the prototype. I have the 5 regulators and power transistor almost mounted to the heat sink via mica washers and thermal paste. I ran out of 6-32 nylon bolts so I am waiting on those to attach the lm317s for the heaters. The regulators and power transistors are soldered directly to the PCB. I forget to get photos last night.

I have installed the MTA-156 connectors to the three transformers and have started to test the regulated outputs. I have been just connecting one transformer at a time testing the PCB section by section. I started with the lightest load, the +18VDC and -18VDC section.

The +18VDC and -18VDC is working although the matching of the regulators could be better matched (17.84VDC and -18.02VDC). On AC coupling I can see about 5 to 10mV of ripple/Noise.. Hard to tell what is circuit noise and what is probing noise, I will need to load the output and take a more careful measurement.

I discovered a error in the transformer selection when I realized 6VAC will not be come 6.3VDC :whistle: So I swapped the transformer to another toroidal 12Vac 4A I had on hand. The LM317 are now working under light load. I still need to add the nylon screws to get the heat-sink attached. The TAB on the LM317 is connected to the output, so I don't want the outputs affecting one another.

I have yet to couple in the 220VDC transformer, hopefully tonight. If there is issues that is where I have the greatest potential for fireworks :D

Link555, post: 465401, member: 31690 wrote: I have yet to couple in the 220VDC transformer

I've never seen one of those!

lol sorry I meant 120Vac to 240Vac Transformer that feeds the 225VDC supply

225v section is up and running!

Vacuum tube section has been built.

Very impressive!

The HT ripple looks really low - was that on no load?

Can't tell you how cool I find all this Link :). My 16 year old self is popping out in my head..

Boswell, post: 465411, member: 29034 wrote: Very impressive!

The HT ripple looks really low - was that on no load?

Yes sir no load - well 400k as a restive divider to protect my scope probe ... but no load yet.

Makzimia, post: 465412, member: 48344 wrote: Can't tell you how cool I find all this Link :). My 16 year old self is popping out in my head..

Thanks Makzimia .... lots of work to go...

Sorry guys I have been stuck painting and doing wainscoting for the real boss.... I have had no time to get back to the bench...hopefully soon.

Finally back to bench... living room Reno is done, new security cameras up and the shop lighting done.... now back to my power supply and it’s still alive! Happy to see no gremlins crawled in.  

Let’s rename this thread to ? as it doesn’t have a title.
I’m thinking something about 1612 Tubes?

audiokid, post: 466689, member: 1 wrote:
Let’s rename this thread to ? as it doesn’t have a title.
I’m thinking something about 1612 Tubes?

Sounds good to me

Ok so I got the meter pcb prototype populated today ...I did not have everything in SMT so I had make a few through hole parts fit...soon I get to test those Amazon meters!  

Lookin clean!

Designing a quick 3D printed VU and circuit board holder...   

Tonight I finished wiring up the meter board, and had enough time to test the output a bit... still tuning my circuit for the new vu impedance but it’s definitely alive!   

Ya, very cool!

Looks good!

Great!

Well the Amazon Meters are proving a bit challenging. I tried these guy out:
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B088WLJJZW/?tag=r06fa-20
But they arrived poorly packaged and the black plastic retainer was cracked on one of the units. Not sure if that is related to the current issue I am working through, but it might be. Right now I can get the meter to move without issue but there is a significant non-linearity in its scale.

If I set 0VU on the meter to 1.228Vrms, the meter moves perfectly every time to 0VU when I turn off and on the 1.228Vrms signal.

If I then set the source to 0.388Vrms expecting the meter to move to -10VU it moves consistently to -7VU. I took a few measurements to explore this non-linearity. I measured the output of my circuit at output final opamp before the series resistor feeding the meter movement. My scope was used to verify signal generator meter. I tuned the circuit to have 0 gain. The circuit appears to be good.

 
 
The graph is not in log scale, Excel doesn't like 0's in log scale. From the graph you can see the meter is reading higher that it should be on the lower scale but better on the upper scale.

If I remove the 0 point and set the scale to logarithmic I get this:
 

Could it be static build up? or just an unbalanced movement?

Yeah, that does look a bit odd. I've tried a quick re-plot of your figures with log ordinate and linear dBu abscissa, and then scaled the input so it lies on top of the reading for the higher amplitudes. The higher readings look OK, but it shows things start to go wrong at about 0.5Vrms (a diode drop?).

I made a correction to the 0.338 Vrms meter figure to bring it back on to the straight line, since it looked like a typo.

Sorry, my series colours are reversed compared to yours.

Did you ever check with the scope what the waveform looked like at the top end of R100 (the amplitude calibration pot)? The PWM should be reasonably linear with sine-wave input.

Does this meter have an ordinary direct current movement., or has it got rectifiers inside? What do you see if you feed the VU meter with a multimeter in parallel from a controllable d.c. source?

Thanks yet again for your time and help on this Boswell, it very much appreciated.

I made a correction to the 0.338 Vrms meter figure to bring it back on to the straight line, since it looked like a typo.

Yes it was entry error-but I may have made a "Reado" and entered .388 on the generator ;)

Did you ever check with the scope what the waveform looked like at the top end of R100 (the amplitude calibration pot)? The PWM should be reasonably linear with sine-wave input.

I did quickly look at the the top end of the R100 pot, and peak detector is working as expected I did play with C69 to follow lower frequencies. So that cap is now 10uF. So it is essentially DC feeding the meter movement.

Does this meter have an ordinary direct current movement., or has it got rectifiers inside? What do you see if you feed the VU meter with a multimeter in parallel from a controllable d.c. source?

No documentation came with the meter, I am not sure if it has a rectifier inside, I have not taken it apart yet... Digging online it appears to be a TN-73 VU, some forums mention it has a rectifier, some say it needs one. Only one way to find out.
http://www.meterexpert.com/e/VU_57.htm

I did quickly try it with a DC source when I first got it, and verified a swing, but did not measure or record the voltages. I can do that tonight and check the linearity of those readings.

Good Thoughts for sure!
Thanks!

ok the plot thickens...
With my bench supply connected through a 680k resistor in series with meter movement, I measured these voltages across the meter.
 
 
Pretty Darn linear, the deviations are likely just measurement error.

So what in the circuit is causing this non-linearity... I checked for loading watching the output of the the last opamp (U11B Pin 7 ) with the meter connected and unconnected. No change in the voltage. The peak detector is DC at 1K, with the 10uf cap in there the ripple at 10Hz is very small. Is this phenomenon the discharge time of the 10uF?
 

What puzzles me about the schematic (along with the way you say it behaves) is how amplifier U10B gets its negative feedback. As it stands, it's a comparator whose output swings rail-rail. In conventional peak trackers, the second op-amp is usually a voltage follower, but I realise this one is not the conventional configuration.

Yes! The strange thing is The peak detector is working like this but, I can change it to this and see if anything changes...
 

That's the classic form, but it's not without disadvantages.

You will need a discharge component of some sort. A high-value rheostat with an end resistor across C1 would give you a meter hold time control.

Yes I thinking about just adding R91 across the Cap, as it is now. Its a pretty simple pcb mod, 2 cuts and 2 jumpers

Truly a "Doh" moment I spotted that mistake earlier  it seems, the PCB is correct after all. I Just never posted the final Rev 0 schematic here. This the problem with time gaps in projects ;)

so that explains why it works, but its doesn't help explain the non-linearity.